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Interestingly, the hard life that convicts experience in jail is often at the hands of other convicts and that rarely changes. Manson is a classic case in point. While he has been responsible for the carrying out of all of his moves, from a young age he was subject to the kind of institutional harshness that is hardly Housewives looking sex Ballarat to endear one to the prevailing society.

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They don't have to internally collapse. It sounds almost cruel to say it but refusing to acknowledge it doesn't mean it is not true.

When Houwewives die in a war situation, their families are expected to just shoulder the burden and get on with it. Suzan LaBerge had a nervous breakdown and Doris Tate fell into years of depression in the aftermath of Housewives looking sex Ballarat murders but in both cases, one can see a direct tie in between what happened and their mental health.

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I don't recall reading about LaBerge having any grief. In fact, she tried to get Tex out.

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What are the Housewives looking sex Ballarat that the entire Tate family would be dead by now Housewives looking sex Ballarat for Debra? And she now has cancer too. What are the odds of that happening? A million to one?

I know you can't actively blame a murderer for killing the victims' families with disease, but I think that's exactly what happened in this case, and I think that it should be part of the parole process when considering parole for a murderer. Grim, There is no doubt that the Wooly Hophead had tough experiences Housewives looking sex Ballarat up, and that it shaped him in many ways.

However, as you pointed out, that does does not excuse him from any culpability in the crimes committed. Unfortunately, there are many that believe a pass should be given, or that there are always mitigating circumstances that should lessen the responsibility, and subsequent punishment, for any crime committed. To me, looming dog just doesn't Housewives looking sex Ballarat.

In fact, Housewives looking sex Ballarat tried to get Tex out In the book "Helter Skelter" it's written that the Ballaeat of her mother caused Susan a nervous breakdown, the implication being that it prevented her Housewives looking sex Ballarat testifying. As for the situation with Tex, that was over 20 years later and a direct result of both her and his Christian conversions and their subsequent meetings.

However, there Black wet and horny many families in which many members die what we might call "before their time. I don't know but one could easily argue that there's something in the family that has predisposed the females that way.

Whenever I've gone for check ups the Doctors always ask about family medical history. Truth is, you have no idea what lies in the lineage of both sides of the Tate family. You have no knowledge of what any one of them may have Housewives looking sex Ballarat to contribute towards their condition.

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It has been mooted for years, not "well known. As with most things in life, one ignores nuance at one's peril. Grim, if you don't know that harboring negative emotions and attitudes for YEARS can cause ssx problems, then I'm assuming you must be living under some kind of rock.

It's doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. I doubt that you will find one doctor who encourages people to be depressed, angry, sad or fearful because it's Housewives looking sex Ballarat for you". I don't know the Tate family medical history of course, but I've read a lot of books about Sharon Tate, and I've never seen it mentioned that her grandparents had cancer or died from it.

I guess I could e-mail Debra Tate and ask her about her family history, but I'm sure Housewives looking sex Ballarat wouldn't answer my Housewives looking sex Ballarat. She has no idea who I am. As far as LaBerge goes, I think her Cock perth older to get Tex out is either insane or some kind of scheme. Doris herself told her that she was disappointed in her, and that her mother Rosemary would probably be disappointed in her too.

She said she just did it because of "her Christian beliefs". I'm all for forgiving someone who brutally loiking your mother, if that's possible, but trying to get Ballsrat out? And I didn't say that people should show up at parole hearings saying they have "the flu".

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I think I made myself clear on my point. Don't see any reason to keep saying it. All I said was that families failing to even survive Housewives looking sex Ballarat to horrendous murders of family members should be part of the parole hearing, which it isn't.

I made a thread about Debra Tate being diagnosed with cancer, and Grim didn't say one thing about him being sorry she was diagnosed with cancer. I agree with most everything Grim says.

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With the exception, from a clinical standpoint, there is a biopsychosocial model of disease. Biological - of course handed down through genes, Housewibes - internal stress, and social - external stress.

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I believe these things together can weaken a person's immune system and allow the gene component to kick in. I realize there Housewives looking sex Ballarat exceptions however.

While Hoousewives find it unfortunate for Debra, I have never felt the compassion I felt for her mother and sister. Debra seems to at least in part be attention seeking.

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The family members that do not attend parole hearings after all these years I doubt care any less for their murdered family member than Debra does I think stress not only regarding Baolarat death of Housewives looking sex Ballarat but continually attending parole hearings Housewives looking sex Ballarat the years to include those that were not even at Sharon's house has perpetuated stress for Debra, and for her mother and Patti.

Well Donna, I agree with your comments about going to the parole hearings. That would have been less stressful to the entire Tate family to not attend Ballaray hearings. It's got to be exhausting, painful and debilitating. I think that Doris took it up to save her sanity.